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Post by tackleman on Feb 14, 2008 13:56:07 GMT -6
P.S Bill I don't drink gas and I get my waterout of the Tap
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Post by 1hawghunter1952 on Feb 14, 2008 14:24:26 GMT -6
If gas gets too costly, we can always go to canoe tourneys. ;D Like they say "if you want to play, you gotta pay."
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Post by hootis on Feb 14, 2008 15:18:22 GMT -6
You guys know as well as I do, that 1/2 -3/4 throttle is a lot less expensive, but when its pay day you gotta ler buck... I have'nt had a payday yet so I spend a lot of time at 1/2 throttle. Now I see Yamaha has that mammoth 300HP V8.. $$$$$$. yikes. I cant imagine what some of those offsore guys spend running two or three 250HP+ motors. !! Too bad I cant pull my boat with my car....I'll have to look for a diesel truck I guess.
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Post by fishwrench on Feb 14, 2008 17:25:56 GMT -6
I'm waiting for the dock fishing circuit to start up.
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Post by Bill M. on Feb 15, 2008 8:37:53 GMT -6
A gallon of milk if bought in 12 ounce bottles at Subway or a grocery store or a c-store is going to run you about $14.00 gallon.
Diesel pricing is different. Sure they use crude, but the mix is completely different and how it is refined. That is also why sometimes diesel is cheaper. Also supply and demand has something to do with it as well.
Tackleman, you made my point exactly that you don't drink gas, you drink tap water. Point is people can drink tap water for nothing but buy bottled water like crazy, not just at Subway. It's a huge segment of the beverage market in this country. Consumers are willing to pay the equivalent of $8.26 for a gallon of water in bottles and don't say a word, they just keep buying it up.
But something that you can't get out of your tap at home and has to be mixed and refined and transported and tested, etc. is only $2.89 gallon right now. This product also allows you to travel 15 to 40 miles (depending on vehicle) with doing hardly anything. And consumers pay the money they do for bottled water and yet complain about gas prices. I find that interesting.
Might help if some politicians would allow somebody to go up to Alaska and say Mr. Moose and Mr. Bear, we are going to take some black stuff out of the ground in this area, so if you wouldn't mind moving over to that vast wasteland where nobody is, that would be great. We'll be here for a few years and when we're done, you'll barely know we were here and you can have this back. We might have to trade though, there might be black stuff in the ground over in that wasteland you're heading to. We'll let you know and we appreciate your cooperation.
If you want gas prices to go down, stop buying gas or buy much less or we better start drilling in this country. Say Iran has all the oil we need and we're buying (just for this example) 1000 barrels a day. We as a country start buying less gas as consumers, we now don't need 1000 barrels a day. We need 800. This goes on for about 1 year and Iran now has sold us 73,000 less barrels than the previous year. Let's say each barrel is $90. That is a down turn in Iran's pocket of $6.5 million dollars. (Last I heard it was around $90 a barrel, also the number of barrels we use as a country each day is around 20 million, couldn't use that or I'd get lost in the numbers.)
Iran looks at this and says, what the hell is going on. We aren't selling as much oil to those pig headed Americans. How are we going to get them to make up this money we lost. They have 2 choices, raise the price to make up for it and risk that we buy even less now or lower the price that it economically makes sense for us to buy it from them. They will export more oil, but make up the dollars lost in volume.
Same example applies if we start drilling ourself, we'll need less of some other country's oil. It's all determined by supply and demand. I didn't write the above to insult anyone's intelligence. Some people have never been told this.
Note: gas stations aren't making the money either, they make 1 to 5 cents per gallon. There are times, they actually lose money on gas.
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Post by Bill M. on Feb 20, 2008 13:38:00 GMT -6
I guess it depends on what news you listen to and what that particular news has for their agenda. I heard a top of the hour update on a local station that quoted somebody as saying the gas will go up the next few weeks because of an explosion in Texas, but by spring time, this person predicted gas would be down 50 cents a gallon from what we are paying now.
I hope that person is right and not the $4/gallon person that Jim heard.
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Post by Bill M. on Feb 25, 2008 23:06:04 GMT -6
Veto over ride. February 25, 2008.
From Kare11.com "The gas tax increase will arrive quickly. It will rise two cents a gallon on April 1, another one half cent on August 1, and another three cents on October 1.
It could rise another 3 1/2 cents to pay off road bonds in the next five years."
Boy, they sure didn't waste anytime dipping into tax payer pockets. Wow, April 1? 5.5 cents before October 1.
Take it for face value and we pay 5.5 cents more per gallon. If you buy something in the metro, add .25% sales tax to it. License tab fees are also going up and there is an excise tax on vehicle purchases.
That is the face value. Now think about what is it going to cost you to buy daily goods and services? One could safely presume that since transportation companies will now also have to pay the additional gas tax, that they will pass that cost onto the retailer which will then pass it onto us the consumer.
So now it cost you more to drive to the store and it's going to cost you more to buy the product you went to purchase.
(The main stream media will also not tell you that food prices are going to go increase as a result of the failed e-85 experiment. Just watch the cost of bread in the next 6 to 9 months. Less places to grow wheat because we have to grow corn for e-85 which by the way even Kare 11 agrees e-85 gets you less gas mileage for the money.)
The dirty little secret is that the majority of the money generated from this tax increase goes to mass transit. MTC is purchasing 150 hybrid busses at a cost of $500,000 per bus which is about $200,000 more than a traditional diesel bus. Total additional cost to do this is $30 million dollars. When you pump gas tomorrow, just remember you are helping to buy $500,000 hybrid busses.
Light rail is also going to see much of the money as they plan to expand the line. Currently, it cost the tax payers of Minnesota $10 million a year to pay for light rail. The cost is sure to increase as they add more lines.
Larry Howes (Walker) voted against this bill and John Ward (Brainerd) voted for this bill in the house.
In the senate Koering (Ft. Ripley) voted against the bill and M. Olson (Bemidji) voted for the bill.
Lastly, most are not aware that there is a fund called the trunk highway fund. This is the fund where money comes from to build new roads and repair existing state highway roads. The majority of that money goes to roads outside of the metro area. I believe I heard the number is 75%, but I cannot confirm that. 60% of the taxpayers live in the metro area, but they only get 25% of the funding. Good deal if you live outstate right? At face value yes, but the way it is set up, congestion will not be relieved in the metro and one of two things will have to happen to resolve that. Shift the fund to 25% outstate and 75% metro is one option or another option is dip in your wallet again with another tax increase.
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Post by tackleman on Feb 26, 2008 7:07:33 GMT -6
There goes the price of water
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Post by jerb on Feb 26, 2008 9:39:59 GMT -6
The tax hadn't been raised since 1988.
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Post by 1hawghunter1952 on Feb 26, 2008 10:00:04 GMT -6
With the economy the way it is right now, it makes it more of a challenge to fish allot of tournaments. Canoe tourneys are loking better al the time. ;D
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Post by fishwrench on Feb 26, 2008 12:03:29 GMT -6
You can only have a canoe tourney if the canoes hold a livewell capable of pumping 5 something-or-other every so-and-so minutes.
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Post by Bill M. on Feb 26, 2008 12:58:16 GMT -6
Who cares if the tax hasn't been raised since whatever year. Minnesota ranks as the 7th highest tax burdened state in the country. Add this to it and we will move to #5 or #6.
Realize in your 20 year ago example, there is more gas being purchased so the fund has gone up greatly in terms of total revenue generated from the gas tax.
I guess using that argument, then sales tax should also be raised state wide since we haven't done that for a while. This gas tax is a 27% increase by October 1 and will be a 44% increase by 2010. We should then make the sales tax 8.2% beginning April 1 and 9.36% by 2010 based on the argument that we haven't raised taxes in 20 years.
It's the quality of life, I know why we pay such high taxes....and the weather. Colorado ranks #49 and I don't think there weather is all that great. Florida ranks in the 40's. Texas ranks in the 40's.
So who cares when the last time it was raised. I think the point was missed where the money is going. Mass transit. This gas tax is going to do nothing for the state except buy hybrid busses and to expand and run light rail. Sure there will be money for road repairs and such, but the problem that the media has portrayed that our roads and bridges are going to hell, will not be solved with this gas tax. They will have to pass legislation to send more money to roads from this tax and cut back on light rail or they are going to have to get another gas tax increase.
The question is can the tax payer afford this tax? Seems small, but start adding it up and start adding up that you are going to pay more for everything else you buy because the goods you purchase do not drop from the sky, they are brought by rail and truck, which uses gasoline. This is much more than a 5 cent increase at the pump.
What is going to happen next is an income tax bill by the Democrats because the state is still short of money for the general fund.
If you believe in paying more taxes and paying more for everything you consume, then you should like this tax.
I'm not afraid to post that I am opposed to this, big time. It's a boondoggle. If they took 75% of the trunk highway fund and put the money where the traffic is and we didn't build light rail and we aren't buying hybrid busses, this tax probably doesn't happen and isn't needed.
Take a drive in the Cities between 4:30 and 5:30. Then ask yourself has light rail relieved the congestion problem, which is one of the reasons we were sold this bill of goods?
Are hybrid busses really needed? If you believe in global warming, then yes you do think so. Anyone heard on the news that recent studies have shown that in the past 10 years the earth is actually cooling? Nope, you won't hear that because it doesn't fit the agenda of the news media. If in 10 years we find out that global warming was a hoax, we will have wasted 30 million dollars on hybrid bussses. By the way the busses are a loser as well. Taxpayers have to fund the busses as a public service just like we do light rail.
If you live out of the metro or if you do live in the metro and don't use light rail or busses, you are still paying for it.
I digress, bottom line is this is going to cost everyone more than 5 cents a gallon to go fishing.
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Post by tackleman on Feb 26, 2008 13:38:02 GMT -6
Jeez Bill how long did it take you to type that
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Post by bass on Feb 26, 2008 14:03:28 GMT -6
As a metro transit user I feel I should address this situation. I have been riding the bus for almost a year now and have only feared for my life a couple dozen times but it is really cheap to get to work. 4 dollars a day buys you a ride on the bus. Granted some days the bus is full and you have to stand next to some 12 year old crackhead but hey, it's only 4 bucks. Maybe if they add more buses it will split up some of the gangs that ride them. As for now, I will have to save my 3.70 a gallon diesel for summer and carry an extra pistol when I ride the bus. I just don't feel safe with only one gun some days. The last 2 sentences may be false to protect the innocent.
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Post by Bill M. on Feb 26, 2008 14:16:28 GMT -6
Didn't take long to type. Pretty fast on the keys.
Glad the bus works for you. I'm just not in favor of subsidizing it, especially hybrid busses. Stay safe and register that gun for carry and conceal.
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