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Post by Excel Bass on Oct 25, 2008 5:04:44 GMT -6
The last two years for the singles series we did a mystery TOC. Last year we announced the Team TOC at the beginning of the year.
Need some feedback if the mystery TOC is something you guys want. As organizers, we wonder if announcing the TOC at the start of the season would give those an incentive to fish all the events knowing they have the chance to cash-in big at the TOC on water they know.
Here's your chance to sound off......ideas on lakes would be appreciated as well.
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Post by Bill M. on Oct 25, 2008 5:41:21 GMT -6
I've been banging on this for a couple of years now.
If you announce the TOC lake on the schedule, it levels the playing field. It allows anglers who think they are going to make it to maybe check out the lake some weekend during the year and get familiar with it if they have never been on it.
If you want to stick with a mystery lake, then I suggest the mystery lake be one of the lakes that was already fished on the schedule.
May I also suggest that you have a hard cut off for those who qualified. 7 days before the TOC, you have to have your money in or it goes to the waiting list. Start the waiting list as soon as the last tournament is concluded. Then you have that in place so at 7 days before the TOC those who qualified but have not paid will be bumped for those on the waiting list.
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Post by Bill M. on Nov 7, 2008 13:11:00 GMT -6
The feedback on this topic has been pretty sparce. What? Nobody wants to disagree with me? C'mon.
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Post by fishinghype on Nov 8, 2008 10:58:55 GMT -6
Bill that is the dumbest ideas I've heard of are you freaking kidding me!!! ;D How was that for disagreeing. Totally jacking with Bill. The mystery TOC will always be a 50/50 split between guys. I am totally in favor of the last two years. I realize some of us have fished most of these lakes over the years but they all change some what year to year so the local advantage isn't a big plus. I like the idea of finding out the lake with only a weeks notice and seeing who can put it together in 8hrs.
Tight Lines, B
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Post by dentguy on Nov 8, 2008 18:11:09 GMT -6
Leave it a mystery for everyone except the previous years' angler of the year, allow that person all of the pre-fishing time on said TOC body of water... Oh, and if Jim Smith makes the TOC, he has to throw back all fish caught after NOON!!
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Post by tackleman on Nov 10, 2008 10:32:51 GMT -6
I like it the way it is now . BLIND . You are on a smaller lake easy to figure out . Alex wasn't easy Don't get me wrong Saves on the prefish Gas and Allows you to fish other tournaments . Not to metion it keeps Mr. Prefish ( Dentguy ) off the lake so I have a chance to win . Bill would you have fished Alexander if you could have prefished? or would you have skipped out to watch the Vikings game anyway ? I will fish it no matter what happens , but I do like it the way it is . With the higher entry it should sweeten the pot even more . Hopefully I can make it next year .
Jim
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Post by Bill M. on Nov 10, 2008 11:21:22 GMT -6
A question was asked so I'll answer and I apologize for regurgitating previous opinions.
I would have fished if I had more than a 5 day notice. Reason being is I had some insight into the lake even though I'd never been on it. Couldn't though all of a sudden tell my kid no game and go fish. That's not me.
My point about the mystery lake is it is a clear overwhelming advantage to those who have been on the lake previously. For example, the year it was on Bay, I'd never fished the lake. I had to first figure out where to even drive the boat. I had to ask Lindy even before take off if I need to go around that marker or if I can cut it. Give me at least one day on the lake and at least I can navigate the lake and maybe find some fish. Guys who have fished club tournaments on that lake even one time had a huge leg up.
Advantage should go to those with experience, I'm fine with that, it's called paying your dues. However, is it really a TOC when all year everyone has equal opportunity to fish a tournament lake as much or as little as they choose. Those tournaments are what decides who goes to the TOC.
Then you have those qualifiers all of a sudden have to fish a lake blind in some cases.
With all that said, if I qualified and never been on the lake, I'll fish it because one I earned the spot and second I'll take the flyer of a chance of maybe getting lucky.
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Post by tackleman on Nov 10, 2008 11:55:03 GMT -6
Are you saying I had an advantage because I was on the lake 6 years ago in a club tournament in early june ?
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Post by dentguy on Nov 10, 2008 14:43:18 GMT -6
Yes Jim.. You had an advantage... Umm.. "Where do I go" advice from a ton of people.... Naw.. Just kidding... You pulled a lucky fish with minutes to go... Had you not had that one, you'd have had about 10 pounds! Same goes for Chuck Fields on Bay with a 6.3.... It's not like these guys had the fish tied up or anything... Besides, some of my personal best fishing days are pre-fishing, granted the stress of a bunch of guys fishing hard takes its toll on fish tourney day, it is basically a mind set, hey I'm just pre-fishing... As far as showing up to a lake totally blind.. I call B.S... There are maps of darn near every lake that would be fishable in Mn. and you've got a week (or more if the lake is announced early) to look and see... Can't find a map?? There are other ways to see a lake without being there.... And back to my previous post... Open pre-fishing to the previous years AOY....
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Post by tackleman on Nov 11, 2008 10:05:40 GMT -6
Ok Dentguy, Are you telling me you don't get information ? Information is the key in this sport . Some have it some don't have it , but I guarntee you the guys that don't have it want it and are trying to get it. Unless of course it is in the rules that you cannot get information before hand .
Jim
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Post by dentguy on Nov 11, 2008 13:26:56 GMT -6
Un-bunch your panties Jim... I was kidding.... Information is a good thing to have.. AND it can be an advantage over someone that doesn't have any...
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Post by Basser on Nov 11, 2008 16:51:53 GMT -6
How about we all share all info, and we all use the same lure so we can level the playing field. ;D I say leave it blind. Sorry Bill, Randy
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Post by Bill M. on Nov 11, 2008 19:44:40 GMT -6
Cool, some dialogue on this.
You don't have to agree with me, that's cool.
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Post by dentguy on Nov 12, 2008 7:18:17 GMT -6
Wild man returns.... Hey Bill... I'm interested too in knowing whether or not you would have fished Alex if you could have pre-fished... I understand the late notice, however, it's always been that the TOC lake is announced at the last tourney of the year... And usually there is a week or two between the last tourney and the TOC... Soooo??? Randy, you bring up a very interesting idea that I have been thinking about for some time... Lets say a club format where there is no money on the line... Everyone shows up to a lake with one or two rods, lets say for instance not everyone knows how to drop shot, well that is the technique for the day, all fishing done with a drop shot, lures optional, but rigged for drop shot.. How many different ways could that be used? I can think of numerous, now do that for a whole season, but obviously mix it up for different tourneys, but keep the principal the same, everyone is going to texas rig a worm, or everyone is going to jig, or everyone is going to use a diving crankbait, or spinnerbait... It may not be the most productive fishing, but a bunch of guys would learn a ton about fishing different techniques.. Sorry for hijacking this post with my weird ideas, but it is what it is.. I'd spend a lot less time thinking if I could fish open water year round....
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Post by tackleman on Nov 12, 2008 8:41:40 GMT -6
The day that everyone had to use a crankbait is the day I stay home and do laundry!!!!!
Thanks for the tidbit on Drop shotting Tuma . Is that the technique Foster showed you to win the AOY.
HA HA !!!!!!!!!!!
Jim
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