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Post by Bill M. on Feb 20, 2008 14:13:02 GMT -6
Fishwrench, not pilphering from your message board, but I found something interesting there. The topic was how much should a co-angler pay the boater for a day on the water.
So the question is how much should a co-angler give the boater?
I have been offered anywhere from $0 to $40 and it has zero to do with how much gas we burned and how well we did fishing. No pattern there.
Strike up the band and let's hear some chatter on this.
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Post by bass on Feb 20, 2008 14:51:56 GMT -6
Here goes. The way I look at it is this. If I were fishing a team tournament with someone we would be splitting the gas. Both practice and tournament days. If we make money we split. If we don't make money we still paid for the gas and entry fee. Co anglers get off easy by paying lower entry fees, not prefishing, not hauling a boat around from lake to lake using up all their vacation time while in turn,learning sometimes years worth of fishing spots. I spend 1500 bucks a year in boat gas alone (probably more this year w higher prices). How does 20 bucks even factor in there. It doesn't. I would prefer to just be offered what I think is fair for each tourny. If you are a fisherperson and can't afford to split the cost of gas (and oil) you are in the wrong sport. It's going to get a lot more expensive. I can't wait.
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Post by fishwrench on Feb 20, 2008 15:13:04 GMT -6
Geez, Bill...you haven't even registered for my forums yet and you're stealing my stuff. I put this out on Fishwrench, and I'll say the same thing here. I'm going to fish a tournament whether or not there is someone on the back of my boat. So, I figure I'd be spending the same amount of money if a co-angler were there or not. I appreciate offers, but I have a hard time taking money for something I'd be paying for anyway. It's like someone using your phone and leaving fifty-cents on the table. I have to pay my phone bill whether they used my phone or not. There is one difference, and "bass" mentions this. Team tournament; we fish as a team, win as a team, and lose as a team. Since we're a team, we probably agreed on shared expenses long before the tournament starts. I'll accept that money. That's only because I know I'll be with the same angler each and every tournament; he/she will be using my boat as much as I. I'll just have the drivers seat. Now, darn it Bill, go register at Fishwrench.
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Post by bp7135 (bob) on Feb 20, 2008 17:35:17 GMT -6
Good point Jim, I think very similar...however...
I prefer if they offer, but in most cases...I reject the offer. I agree what's $20.00 in the big scheme of things, my plan was to fish with or with out the $20. My thought is, at least this way I am consistent with my approach. We need more co-anglers in this sport that are here to learn fishing and less that fish to learn spots...oh boy, there the lid flew off. (sorry) You can dump 20 years of experience in 8 hours easy.
What is appropriate? Everyone should set a reasonable amount that would be fair to all concerned, whether the co-angler is 12 or 67...
Most of the time, even my cat does not listen to me for what it is worth.
bob
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Post by Bill M. on Feb 21, 2008 22:24:53 GMT -6
I think $20 is a fair price when you balance out everything including what you are saying Bob, that you are going fishing anyway. For the co-angler the payout to payin is the same ROI as a boater in BASS and if they pay nothing for the ride, I don't think that is right. If a non-boater wants to pay more, cool. If the boater doesn't travel but 4 or 5 miles the entire day, then maybe $10 is o.k.
I would say zero is appropriate in one instance, the boater is a jerk to the non-boater. I remember as a non-boater I had the pro tell me, "do you mind getting out of my f**king way!" I was casting directly to the side in the back of the boat. Or if the boater is cursing at you for not getting the net quickly enough.
Bob, you said the $20 is no big deal. How about you throw me 1 chatterbait each tournament and $20. It's almost a jug of oil. I hate chatterbaits too, but I'll take them. They'll work sometime. The 20 spot always works.
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Post by fishinghype on Feb 22, 2008 8:22:11 GMT -6
I'm on both sides of the fence on this one. I totally agree that as a supposed "pro" better reference the boater I am going to be there anyway. Spending my money on gas for the tow vehicle and boat pre-fishing and tournament day. On the other hand you pay to play and this includes the "am" or non-boaters. If you can't afford to give your tournament day partner a fair amount of gas money you are the wrong sport. The ones that really get me are the guys that get a check at the end of the day and still don't offer you any money. With all this said $20 has been the standard for almost 10yrs, but with gas prices where they are and going true fair value should be $30-$40. You do the math how many gal. of gas is that going to get you. This doesn't include oil and anything else they may borrow and lose of yours during the day. Good day of fishing or not you are still spending money. The non-boater that judge what to give by the days fishing need to buy a boat and find there own fish and get nothing in return!!! Tight Lines, B
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Post by bp7135 (bob) on Feb 22, 2008 22:12:13 GMT -6
How about I throw you a few bottles of water instead....after all we learned they are much more valuable than gas... I could make peanut butter sandwiches on day old bread or eat a fresh meal out every day too...any suggestions? (that was a joke, you can smile)
If you get 2.64 miles to the gallon at 5500 RPM's you can go 17.6 miles on your $20.00, for most tournaments, you may not go that far. Let's say I am not on fish and my co-angler says, hey I grew up on this lake...now should I pay him/her?
I agree with both sides, co-anglers should come prepared to assist with expenses, I am sure one could pose that this should be a 50/50 split. It is also reasonable that over the course of an *average* tournament day (does not include prefishing, travel, lodging, food...) you could use about 12 gallons of gas and 2 pints of oil (that extreme considering your average mixture is greater than 50:1. Here comes the math...12x3=36, 2 pints of oil (1 gallon=26.00) .25x26=6.50.....okay so we are up to 42.50x.50=$21.25
Sounds reasonable that we would expect a range of $20-30 per event.
Bill, I just drove up town and left a $20 by the front door, hopes its there in the morning, might blow away. (by the way you owe me $5 for dropping off the $20 (lol)
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Post by Bill M. on Feb 22, 2008 22:26:25 GMT -6
Nice work on the math Ernst and Young. I checked, the wind blew away the $20.
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Post by bp7135 (bob) on Feb 24, 2008 11:07:59 GMT -6
Sorry about the wind, I will put another one there tonight, and add $5 to your account...hopefully this will work out this time...;-)
Watching the classic weigh-in LIVE is 10x better than on ESPN, at least this way you see all competitors.
bob
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Post by tackleman on Feb 26, 2008 10:54:46 GMT -6
All co -anglers should at least offer $20.00 . I have been stiffed before and I can tell you one thing . I have his name on file and he dosn't want to get drawn with me again .
If you take a guy out and he cashes a good check maybe he should throw some more your way .
the only time I turned down money was at the club level . If we were using my boat and my partner didn't want any time in the front. I refused every time.
The reason I did get stiffed is because I was not forward about it at the time . Now I take care of it at the meeting the night before or in the morning. Shouldn't have to though.
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Post by coreybass on Feb 26, 2008 22:30:30 GMT -6
I fish as a co angler and i give the boater $20 at the meeting, it seems to me that as a boater you cant asume that we will give you money, but i feel it is the good thing to do.
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Post by Bill M. on Jun 9, 2008 5:52:36 GMT -6
This weekend in Alexandria I was given $10. I'm o.k. with it considering how little I drove the boat.
I caught Smiths comment that if they cash a check, maybe they should throw a little more your way. That would have been cool.
It would have been cool too if he wouldn't have spilled a Red Bull on my carpet and taken all of his trash with him when he left.
There is an article on co-angler etiquette on classicbass.com and that article should also include, don't bring cans on the boat and if you do, chug the drink down, don't leave it on the carpet for you to kick it over.
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Post by 1hawghunter1952 on Jun 9, 2008 9:27:50 GMT -6
Hey Bill, Guys like that I call AMATEURS not co-anglers. If they bring a bunch of junk to my boat, I make sure they take it all with them when they go. As far as the red bull, that would tic me off. He obviously had no respect for you or your boat. Arnie
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Post by abbottjw on Jun 26, 2008 21:02:57 GMT -6
Geez, I have been overpaying. I have just always offered up $30 and that is at the club level. Even with getting front-ended by friends?
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Post by Bill M. on Aug 12, 2008 11:18:27 GMT -6
Hate to dive into this again and co-anglers who don't pay their fair share probably aren't reading this anyway. Recently as the co-angler was packing up his stuff in the boat, he said to me I hate to tell you this, but I don't have any money. He said he'll get me at the next tournament. Talked to somebody else who was offered $10 and they made a long run to the first spot. At 3 to 5 miles per gallon and around $4 a gallon for gas, then add in cost of oil, etc. to not have any money with you or to offer $10 is ridiculous. I hear alot of co-anglers complain about getting front ended. I'm a guy who will not do that, unless I'm fishing docks and then it is unavoidable, but I'm starting to get a little jaded about this gas money thing and it's getting to the point where I might just say the heck with the person in the back of the boat if this kind of stuff for gas money continues. I was given $10 at another tournament earlier this year. So far for 3 BASS events, I have collected a grand total of $30.
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